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Pingbacks and View Friends Page by Date in S1 [Feb. 27th, 2009|04:51 pm]
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As announced in news today, Pingbacks have arrived on LiveJournal! For the time being, this feature is limited to Paid Accounts. More information can be found in the FAQ.

Here is how it works: your entry (as Paid user) is linked to by another (Paid) user. As long as both entries are public, and you have your comment settings set so that you can receive comments from all registered users, you will receive a screened comment from pingback_bot showing you the link to your entry. All comments by pingback_bot will be screened, regardless of your account settings - you can choose to unscreen them if you wish. Pingbacks to and from Paid Accounts can also be sent to and from any blog that supports the Pingback protocol. If you would like external sites to interact with your entries through Pingbacks, you'll need to change your default setting for Pingbacks to "Open".

We're aware that some pingbacks aren't working, but don't have enough data to determine the cause. If you try out pingbacks and they don't work, please let us know! Here's how! EDIT 3/6/09: If you haven't yet been able to send or receive Pingbacks, you can resolve the issue by going to the Privacy tab on the My Account Settings page, scroll to the bottom and click "Save". Although the default setting is "LiveJournal.com only", this setting is not recognized until settings are changed or saved. This will be fixed in the next release.

1. First, make sure that you and the person linking to your entry are both Paid users and that both entries are public. The default setting for Pingbacks will be "LiveJournal.com only," but you can check or change that on the Privacy tab of your Account Settings page.

2. Make sure your comment settings allow comments from either "registered users" or "everybody" and that you have your CAPTCHA setting for comments on "anonymous commenters" or "nobody".

3. Wait 15 minutes - this is the amount of time needed for the Pingback system to check and deliver the ping. If you don't see the comment from pingback_bot, comment here with a link to the entry that didn't get the pingback. Developers will monitor the comments here and we hope to have this issue resolved as soon as we can.

View Friends Page by Date works in S1

In December, we announced the Paid feature View Friends Page by Date. At that time, it was not compatible with journals using the S1 Style System due to the fact that S1 had been retired and deprecated. In January, developers investigated and created a fix - so if you're still using S1 you can now view your friends page by date to your heart's content!

[User Picture]From: fusselbiene
2009-02-27 11:35 pm (UTC)
But it's a friend that notices links only - that would mean it couldn't tell you in case someone used copy/paste, quotes and mentiones your lj-name, right?

I'd be interested in the actual purpose of this thing. I mean, maybe I'm just too stupid to get the point behind it because I'm technically challenged, but I really don't see the point...
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[User Picture]From: marta
2009-02-27 11:42 pm (UTC)
and Pingbacks are features that a lot of stand-alone-type blogging platforms use, kind of to connect conversations. This type of feature has been suggested in the past, and had been investigated by the past few iterations of development teams.

At this point, there was a way to implement them that would allow for the types of spam, privacy, and journal-owner control that we'd require, so the team went ahead and did it.

And, no, it wouldn't tell you if someone copy/pasted or used your username in a post - it's just for direct links to entries you've written.
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[User Picture]From: fusselbiene
2009-02-28 12:33 am (UTC)
I second that. Completely.
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[User Picture]From: shatterstripes
2009-02-28 01:38 am (UTC)
Pingback comes from the world of Movable Type, from before they had the ability to leave comments on their entries - if your buddy wrote something on their blog you wanted to respond to, your only option is to write about it on YOUR blog. Your blog would scan the post for links, and if you linked to your friend's original post, it would then poke around their site, figure out if it was running something that would understand a pingback, and then say "hey, I just put up a post linking to you over here."

And then your buddy's blog would grab the first paragraph of your post and put it after their original post, with a link to your post.

Also, it is handy for being able to pick up "Huh, this total stranger is talking about me" moments.

Also, the pingback protocol is really kinda overly open, and has been abused by spammers. You win some, you lose some.
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[User Picture]From: matgb
2009-02-28 01:15 am (UTC)
Yeah, you know some of us are always going on about "great product and idea, just explain it to LJers"?

I know pingbacks are an oft requested feature, I've been looking forward to them myself. We both know that Brad promised they'd be implemented soon back when he first sold LJ to 6A.

To those of us that know and care what they are, this is long overdue. To those that don't?

The original post doesn't even explain what a pingback really is, let alone let an LJer know why they'd want it, nor does it answer the "why waste time on this" question.

As usual, it takes a comment buried deep. Please guys, figure out that most of LJ doesn't know what most of LJ is doing, let alone the rest of blogland.
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[User Picture]From: marta
2009-02-28 05:40 am (UTC)
You have a very good point. I'll see if I can get an explanation like that edited into the post, or at least discussed top level as new features are announced. Thank you!
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From: anti_aol
2009-02-28 06:33 am (UTC)
Nobody should copy/paste without linking, though (in a perfect world, it should never happen). It's a violation of copyright to not point to the URL the quote originates from in your post. Just sayin'.
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