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Pingbacks and View Friends Page by Date in S1 [Feb. 27th, 2009|04:51 pm]
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Pingbacks


As announced in news today, Pingbacks have arrived on LiveJournal! For the time being, this feature is limited to Paid Accounts. More information can be found in the FAQ.

Here is how it works: your entry (as Paid user) is linked to by another (Paid) user. As long as both entries are public, and you have your comment settings set so that you can receive comments from all registered users, you will receive a screened comment from pingback_bot showing you the link to your entry. All comments by pingback_bot will be screened, regardless of your account settings - you can choose to unscreen them if you wish. Pingbacks to and from Paid Accounts can also be sent to and from any blog that supports the Pingback protocol. If you would like external sites to interact with your entries through Pingbacks, you'll need to change your default setting for Pingbacks to "Open".

We're aware that some pingbacks aren't working, but don't have enough data to determine the cause. If you try out pingbacks and they don't work, please let us know! Here's how! EDIT 3/6/09: If you haven't yet been able to send or receive Pingbacks, you can resolve the issue by going to the Privacy tab on the My Account Settings page, scroll to the bottom and click "Save". Although the default setting is "LiveJournal.com only", this setting is not recognized until settings are changed or saved. This will be fixed in the next release.

1. First, make sure that you and the person linking to your entry are both Paid users and that both entries are public. The default setting for Pingbacks will be "LiveJournal.com only," but you can check or change that on the Privacy tab of your Account Settings page.

2. Make sure your comment settings allow comments from either "registered users" or "everybody" and that you have your CAPTCHA setting for comments on "anonymous commenters" or "nobody".

3. Wait 15 minutes - this is the amount of time needed for the Pingback system to check and deliver the ping. If you don't see the comment from pingback_bot, comment here with a link to the entry that didn't get the pingback. Developers will monitor the comments here and we hope to have this issue resolved as soon as we can.

View Friends Page by Date works in S1


In December, we announced the Paid feature View Friends Page by Date. At that time, it was not compatible with journals using the S1 Style System due to the fact that S1 had been retired and deprecated. In January, developers investigated and created a fix - so if you're still using S1 you can now view your friends page by date to your heart's content!
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[User Picture]From: lilithiasonata
2009-02-28 12:00 am (UTC)
This is great!! :) YAAAY.
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[User Picture]From: natf
2009-02-28 12:02 am (UTC)
Finally Trackbacks!
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[User Picture]From: 3libras
2009-02-28 12:10 am (UTC)
I think it only notifies of links made in entries, not comments, which I think would imply that it's not just "sharing someone else's post with a friend".
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[User Picture]From: willow_diamond
2009-02-28 12:15 am (UTC)
so wait, will we be notified by email of the screened comment?
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[User Picture]From: alixtii
2009-03-01 06:35 pm (UTC)
Presumably it'll depend on your journal settings, on whether or not you currently already get email notifications of comments posted to your journal.
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[User Picture]From: daev
2009-02-28 12:16 am (UTC)
This is a terrible idea and should be eliminated. It does nothing but silence discussion and provoke "drama."

If I find something online then I should be able to link to it, without a privacy-invading pingback -- on LiveJournal as it is on the World Wide Web.

If I wanted you to know I was discussing something you wrote in a LiveJournal article, I would have responded in your comments. Otherwise, since you published your article publicly, it's none of your business.
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[User Picture]From: foxfirefey
2009-02-28 01:22 am (UTC)
If you're discussing something I wrote somewhere not on LJ in your LJ, and I posted an article publicly on a place that wasn't LJ, chances are I'll know if from my web host's stat logs. I only don't get to know that if I make my post on LJ itself, so I'm not certain about the "on LJ as it is on the WWW" part.

Additionally, pingbacks only happen if you make a public post about another public post. If you're publishing your article publicly, just like they are, what reason is there for them not to read it? The only expectation of privacy you can get then is that they won't stumble across it from some other means.

But the above is utterly irrelevant, because you can disable it and neither receive or send them. So you still can link to things on LJ, with no privacy-invading pingbacks.
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[User Picture]From: nova_gurl
2009-02-28 12:18 am (UTC)
Sorry I don't get it.
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[User Picture]From: gabe_speaks
2009-03-01 02:02 am (UTC)
There's plenty of writers who, for instance, are writing original fiction and some would probably like to know who is recommending them or their story. Same with people writing more 'scholarly' and research-based work. They too would probably like to know who's linking others to their post[s].
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[User Picture]From: gabrielleabelle
2009-02-28 12:24 am (UTC)
Well, I for one thank you for the feature. I don't understand the whole not understanding of it or the hostility against it. It's just trackbacks.

Personally, I think it'll be a great way to keep track of who's reccing my fanfics and such. Much appreciated.

ETA: Though I also wonder if it'll be retroactive. Doubt it, as that would require a crawl through all of LJ to search for links.

Edited at 2009-02-28 12:26 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: ghoties
2009-02-28 12:25 am (UTC)
WHY?
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[User Picture]From: gabe_speaks
2009-03-01 02:02 am (UTC)
There's plenty of writers who, for instance, are writing original fiction and some would probably like to know who is recommending them or their story. Same with people writing more 'scholarly' and research-based work. They too would probably like to know who's linking others to their post[s].
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[User Picture]From: thaumata
2009-02-28 12:42 am (UTC)
This is such a stupid thing to implement if you're not going to take the time to do it the same way every other site on the internet does it, which is to give you a link in a comment whenever someone ANYWHERE on the internet posts your entry. This is useless like this and was a waste of your dev money. I hope you'll realize that and rethink what you're offering.
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[User Picture]From: zvi_likes_tv
2009-02-28 12:45 am (UTC)
Um, if not now, in the future, it will allow pingbacks for the whole internet. There's a privacy setting specifically to allow that.
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[User Picture]From: zvi_likes_tv
2009-02-28 12:46 am (UTC)
I've been wanting pingbacks for years. Thanks for implementing them, and I'm sorry some of your users (a) can't read what is written and (b) have difficulty fathoming that someone might want to use LJ in a way that they don't.
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[User Picture]From: gabrielleabelle
2009-02-28 01:00 am (UTC)
Let me just say: Word. I don't typically read the comments on the updates, but I was curious as to whether this would be a) expanded to encompass more than paid users and/or b)retroactive. After reading all these comments, though, I find I'm just happy with what we got.
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[User Picture]From: jiangyin
2009-02-28 01:02 am (UTC)
I'm not much seeing the point of getting a screened comment every time a user links to one of your posts - so I second what another user said about email notifications. Not that I'm going to use this function anyway - it's utterly pointless.

I'd much rather see efforts being put toward a functional voice posting service for Australian users - being cut off after a minute is ridiculous, when it even works. It'd also be nice to see the TxtLJ service extended beyond the United States, and users on the Virgin Mobile Australia network able to use text messaging. It's open to users of the USA and Canadian Virgin networks, so why not Australia?

- Ez
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[User Picture]From: valiant
2009-02-28 01:10 am (UTC)
I think this is very useful, personally. I always wonder where people are coming from when I get an influx of comments!
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[User Picture]From: naamah_darling
2009-02-28 01:21 am (UTC)
Well, I can see that I will find this quite useful. So, thanks!
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[User Picture]From: suaine
2009-02-28 01:26 am (UTC)
It's very useful, especially in a fandom context, where people will often link to entries, such as fiction, and never comment directly. So yay!

Would the pingback also work if the link was amended with something, like ?style=mine or ?mode=reply instead of just the link?
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[User Picture]From: nostariel
2009-02-28 05:46 am (UTC)
Would the pingback also work if the link was amended with something, like ?style=mine or ?mode=reply instead of just the link?
Ooh, good question! I link a lot of entries with ?format=light or ?mode=reply, I hope it works for those.
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[User Picture]From: myluckyseven
2009-02-28 01:29 am (UTC)
Another vote for making these in some form other than comments! I like the idea of sending them to the LJ Inbox, like friending notifications.

After all, while I'm curious about whether people link me, I'm pretty sure anyone reading my lj couldn't possibly care less and screened comments will clog up popular LJer's pages reeeeaaal fast. :/
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[User Picture]From: zvi_likes_tv
2009-02-28 07:45 am (UTC)
If the way you use Livejournal is as part of large rounds of public discussion, if, for example, your the sort of person who gets linked on or reads metafandom regularly, it very much is useful for people reading your post to see what other people have to say about your post.

I suspect the screened default is because LJ'ers expect a much greater degree of fine-grained privacy than they do in the blogosphere.
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