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[User Picture]From: badjahsensei
2007-06-19 11:36 pm (UTC)
Several amateur pornographers were held accountable for writing stories about minors having sex and had the gall to throw a fantrum when they were called out out on pedophilic content.
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[User Picture]From: ryokomusouka
2007-06-19 11:59 pm (UTC)
Icon love. :)
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[User Picture]From: naeko
2007-06-20 12:03 am (UTC)
*snorts and spits water* hahahahahha
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*snorts and spits water* hahahahahha <i<fantrum</i> hahaha
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[User Picture]From: moonvoice
2007-06-20 01:07 am (UTC)
Yes, and several legitimate and genuine rape survivors were held accountable for putting rape next to rape survivor in their interests. Educate yourself, idiot.

But maybe you're part of the 'we think that it was right for some rape survivors to get ditched without explanation as well!' camp, there's quite a few non-rape sympathetic people on the side of LiveJournal it seems. Well done. Wait for it... *applause*
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[User Picture]From: badjahsensei
2007-06-20 01:33 am (UTC)
And there are some rather.....assumptive people with over emotional, histrionic, reactive natures out there--people for whom logic has no real meaning.

Now let's look back at my original post, shall we?

Amatuer pornographers...
minors having sex in stories...
the grand fantrum...

I'm not sure where or how you read that as commentary on the survivor journal issue, but I'll play that off as general stupidity on your part and reading comprehension skills that could be shamed by a fifth grader.

Oh, and since we're playing the credibility cards here (since apparently, only rape survivors are allowed in this discussion, according to your unusually skewed and twisted worldview), I decided to open up a little piece of my LJ to the public for a day or two, just so I can watch what little ethos you had (before opening maw and inserting foot into it) go flying away.

Buh bye! See you next Tuesday! :)

Maybe you should spend a little more time reading (then thinking and reflecting), and a little less time surfing the astral plane, dear...
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[User Picture]From: moonvoice
2007-06-20 01:43 am (UTC)
I didn't read it as a commentary on the 'survivor journal' issue, I read it as a lack of understanding or complete ignorance that it wasn't just pedophiles (and writers of less savoury topics) who were affected by the purge / suspension, you didn't mention it, so perhaps it wasn't important enough for you to mention.

After all, you mention 'several amateur pornographers' and fail to qualify or clarify by indicating awareness of those who weren't pornographers who were actually suspended as well. It was probably stupid on my behalf (lol, because I was...what was it? Surfing the astral plane, rofl, that's a new one for me), but if you don't mention it, and don't show any understand or empathy regarding it, you were possibly ignorant of it; or alternatively lacking empathy.

Those who weren't pedophiles might have some legitimate and justified concerns about devoting money to a corporation that has no concern for them as genuine clients.

As for minors having sex in stories, this might come as news to you, but they're stories. Last I checked, talking about illegal subjects does not make it illegal, otherwise for all intents and purposes I should be suspended without explanation too. After all, I have mentioned my own experiences in detail on my journal, and by your statement if it's fine for people who write stories about sex with minors to get banned, it's probably okay for people who write memories about being raped as a minor to be banned as well. After all, it's all just fodder for the pedophiles right?
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[User Picture]From: moonvoice
2007-06-20 01:56 am (UTC)
-don't show any understanding, I should say.
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[User Picture]From: badjahsensei
2007-06-20 02:03 am (UTC)
For me, it's important.

When I see people taking sexual gratification over the sexual exploitation of minors--or the signifier (go read your Saussure)of one, say, a character in story--it's important to me, and I act.

I am not, however, one to craft his entire identity around one event. I am not the "raped child" guy, nor do I have a filter in my LJ where I routinely trot the event out to fish for sympathy. Being the victim of rape is not who I am, and I do not construct my entire identity around it.

And for all your literary analysis, you seemed to have forgotten two small things: audience and intent.

I did not recount the story of being raped to titillate and arouse my readers. The amateur pornographers I spoke of did. I recounted it to inform people in my social circle of an event in my life. I was clear and factual. I did not embellish it with details designed to arouse and stimulate an audience. If anything, I would have expected shock and revulsion, and had anyone responded with arousal, I'd have nuked them on the spot.

So, in your charges to me about recalling past traumas, let's see your hand: were you writing to inform, or were you writing to arouse? As you keep it hidden on a filter, I'm sure I know the answer. I just want to see you admit it and put an end this blithering.

So before you go off and try to discuss reception theory and analysis with someone who has graduate level experience with research, may I suggest that you read some elementary literary and rhetorical theory.
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[User Picture]From: moonvoice
2007-06-20 02:15 am (UTC)


So, in your charges to me about recalling past traumas, let's see your hand: were you writing to inform, or were you writing to arouse? As you keep it hidden on a filter, I'm sure I know the answer.

If you are the kind of person to assume that someone who has filtered their mental disorder and their experiences because they are writing to AROUSE, then I pity the people you teach. You spout a lot of nice literary resources, and I'm sure you have a very nice degree to go with your narrow-minded perspective on life, and I'm sure that your ability to bullshit non-sympathetic statements in a rational way has got you into a rather comfortable place in life.

It seems to me, that there are rather more obvious reasons to have my adventures with C-PTSD and involuntary flashbacks under filter such as; to protect those on my Flist who don't actually want to hear about child rape *at all*, and out of a justified sense of privacy (sure, you don't need privacy as a survivor right? Why should anyone else require it? I would argue that it's a survivor's right to establish a sense of safe place and boundary.)

You may not believe it, but I also have a graduate level experience in research. *Shrugs* Your assumptions as far as I'm concerned speak of just as much blatant ignorance and stupidity as any 'assumptions' that I have also made in the course of these comments.

The difference between us is that I am realistic enough to admit that your comments were so non-sympathetic and in fact blatantly ignorant (and continue to be so), that I reacted irrationally, and that you on the other hand are possessing just enough superiority to emerge from this completely unscathed and justified in assuming that anyone who puts accounts of child prostitution under filter must be writing about it to arouse because of course they could have no other possible reason for both wanting privacy and to not parade it around to their entire Flist (most of whom are not there to hear about my past anyway).
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[User Picture]From: pigeonhed
2007-06-20 05:50 pm (UTC)

Re: lol

IS this relevant? Does it matter where the argument occurs? The internet is, amongst other things, a tool for communication, just like any other. These people are communicating, or attempting to, so why not use the internet?
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[User Picture]From: pigeonhed
2007-06-20 06:04 pm (UTC)
As somebody who doesn't write about or have any interest in adolescent sex or rape, I was one who was angry at 6A's handling of this sensitive issue. I wouldn't call my comments a tantrum, I merely sought to point out a) the inconsistencies in the action and b) the basic clumsiness of it.

The problem, for me, was that it wasn't just the pornographers that got caught up in the deletion of journals, but the genuine discussion groups, the literary study groups and others. The action taken by 6A was seemingly based on the false premise that a fictional depiction of an illegality is illegal itself whether advocating that act or not. This is clearly ludicrous, we would have to ban almost every book ever written including The Bible, Shakespeare and Homer.
Furthermore 6A acted precipitously without any consultation and in direct breach of its own published Terms and Conditions.
When people queried this they were ignored, though the press were spoken too. The eventual statement was mealy-mouthed and patronising and lacked any sense that 6A actually realised what they had done wrong.
The enduring concern as a result of this, and earlier censorship acts by 6A such as the breastfeeding icon ban, is that our money will be taken and then the detached corporate mentality of 6A will bring in further restraints and reactionary policies thus losing LJ's welcome sense of community, openness and the ability to have debate such as this. I do not see a problem with people asking for reassurances before committing their finances. (Some people may do this in a way you may think clumsy, or as another put it 'wanktastic' but their commenst remain valid nevertheless.)
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