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This Time It's Permanent [Jun. 19th, 2007|03:30 pm]
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Hey everyone. I wanted to give you a quick heads up that we just announced details of the Permanent Account sale in news. Click over to read all the details! There's also a related post in lj_biz.
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From: ex_robhu
2007-06-19 10:41 pm (UTC)
I think it's a reasonable complaint. Since 6A took over LJ have acted in an increasingly 'corporate' manner, they don't seem to be connecting with and understanding their user base as much as they used to.
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[User Picture]From: usekh
2007-06-19 10:43 pm (UTC)
Hey you don't want to support a company you don't agree with fine. But please, there are -real- freedom of speech issues out there.

And they aren't "ZOMG teh great strikethrough of 07"
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[User Picture]From: ter369
2007-06-19 10:47 pm (UTC)
And they aren't "ZOMG teh great strikethrough of 07"

Rather than repeat all the issues, "Strikethrough of 07" can reference the response to a freedom of speech confrontation on LJ in late May.
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[User Picture]From: usekh
2007-06-19 10:50 pm (UTC)
I know exactly what it refers to. It is still wanktastic and a storm in a teacup.

How about you get upset over -real- freedom of speech issues. And quick legal lesson. You don't have freedom of speech on a private companies servers
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[User Picture]From: naeko
2007-06-20 12:00 am (UTC)
You don't have freedom of speech on a private companies servers.

*bakes you several pies*

That's been my point, too; I don't know why more people don't realize that!
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[User Picture]From: usekh
2007-06-20 12:11 am (UTC)
Hmmm pie :)

It's even funnier when you get Americans claiming freedom of speech on servers not even hosted in America, run by companies that are not American.
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From: ex_robhu
2007-06-19 10:49 pm (UTC)
I said it was a reasonable complaint, and it is. When ter36 explained why he/she isn't going to be giving 6A any more money it highlights to other users and to 6A why their bank balance is going to take a hit from the way they treat their userbase. Ultimately (hopefully) this will lead to them changing (although I doubt it).

"There are -real- freedom of speech issues out there"
I didn't specifically say my complaints were about freedom of speech (indeed that's a peculiarly American idea). It's not like we have a limited amount of energy to 'fight' these things anyway. For people who have invested a lot of time and energy into LJ they're not going to want to just walk away from it, they want to speak out about the problems and hope that things change back to how they were.
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[User Picture]From: mkb_technologie
2007-06-19 11:33 pm (UTC)
I didn't specifically say my complaints were about freedom of speech (indeed that's a peculiarly American idea).

Um, what?
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[User Picture]From: lady_ganesh
2007-06-20 12:33 am (UTC)
First Amendment is pretty unique in the world. A lot of people have issues with the poor customer service angle, rather than 'freedom of speech' per se.
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[User Picture]From: mkb_technologie
2007-06-20 12:45 am (UTC)
No, not really. Free speech is part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it's also a requirement for entry into the EU.
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[User Picture]From: moonvoice
2007-06-20 01:09 am (UTC)
Yes, because a rape survivor (several, actually) getting their journal suspended because they mentioned 'rape' in their interests without any form of recourse at the time or any description as to why they were being lumped in with some genuine pedophiles and a whole lot of fandom, isn't a valid freedom of speech issue.

Well done.
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[User Picture]From: usekh
2007-06-20 01:22 am (UTC)
Was the government or other official body imposing a law to stop them talking about rape?

Or was it a private organisation deciding what is and isn't appropriate for their servers?(admittedly stupidly in this case)
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[User Picture]From: moonvoice
2007-06-20 01:24 am (UTC)
You're completely right, at the end of the day LiveJournal can (and evidently will) do whatever they want. At this point, I have a precarious relationship with this site, and while I still have a paid journal, I don't have enough sense of security to fork out $150. Their timing to launch this was sadly awful.

I stay in the meantime because it is a good resource, but I'm holding out for something a little less obviously corporate, or perhaps just with a more sophisticated way of weeding out the genuine deviants (as opposed to the fiction writers and rape survivors).
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[User Picture]From: usekh
2007-06-20 01:29 am (UTC)
Which is your right. But lets not turn this into a huge civil rights issue like some are seemingly trying to make it. It was a kneejerk reaction by a organisation that can't seem to decide if it wants to be a professional operation or a kind of more 'homey' group of geeks.

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[User Picture]From: misworded
2007-06-20 02:31 am (UTC)
"Corporate," that's the word I've been looking for...!
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