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[Jun. 21st, 2001|05:31 am]
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LiveJournal is ahead in the race for the personal site Webby Award and is closing ground in the race for the services award, but we are losing ground to Blogger right now and the race is very, very close.

If anyone hasn't voted, please consider voting for LiveJournal now as a write-in for the personal and services category. We badly need the votes to turn back a push by Blogger to overtake us. If we can stop Blogger from gaining ground on us over the next day or so, their big push will fizzle out, but we need everyone's vote we can get right now.


[User Picture]From: starzz
2001-06-21 07:02 am (UTC)
If you could not send this out three times a day, that would be great. Thanks.
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From: ex_ciannait
2001-06-21 07:34 am (UTC)
While winning a Webby would be cool, I don't think it's going to define LJ any differently. I mean, hell, that worthless sack of flesh Jenni was up for a Webby last year...

LJ will still be a great site, whether or not Brad has something to put on his mantle.

I did vote, but really - it's not the end of the world if Blogger stuffs the ballot box more than we do.
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[User Picture]From: tenaciouse
2001-06-21 07:52 am (UTC)
You know guys, nobody is forcing you to read everything. Plus, nobody is forcing you to write little snide comments either. The guy is pushing for something important to him. Don't be asses about it.
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From: beffyboo
2001-06-21 09:15 am (UTC)
i'm not trying to interject rudely, but if yall don't like what someone is writing, just skim it really quick next time to see if it's about the same topic that bothers you... instead of maybe just dissing Insomnia for what he's trying to win for livejournal? i know LJ will still be the same if they did win that award thing, but it is good to have some sort of trophy to like prove it's victory, i don't know it's just how i feel.

i'll stay out of things that don't fully concern me next time, sorry
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[User Picture]From: iceblink
2001-06-21 09:49 am (UTC)

Well deserved recognition

What Insomnia is doing is not for selfish reasons. He is simply trying to get a great community some recognition. It isn't an obsession with Blogger at all....

So many people have worked long hours, given up sleep, and spent less time with friends and loved ones trying to improve on LiveJournal. I don't think it is a bad thing at all to make sure that these people are recognized in some fashion.

Insomnia is "all things business" at LiveJournal. He works for hours behind the scenes doing things that frankly most people wouldn't want to deal with. I have seen it first hand.

This man is essentially working two jobs and quite often feels that he is not giving enough to LiveJournal.

So, OK, he is enthusiastic. Abuse...I hardly think so. Maybe now is the time to back off on the advertising campaign as many people get the message. Now we will see what happens and let the voting run its course. However, I think it is unfair to be rude to Insomnia. If Dancing Paul were ahead, he would focus on that...it isn't a specifically Blogger thing.

Dormando's post was definitely more diplomatic. The message was clear but not mean.

I know I get irritated everytime I read a magazine and the only weblog mentioned is Blogger. It makes it seem like Blogger is the only weblog. Wouldn't it be fairer to recognize that there are many weblog services not just Blogger and not just LiveJournal. Each service offers its users something....

As far as I know, Insomnia is very hesitant to actually spam everyone with an e-mail. So, he is getting the information out there in other ways.
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[User Picture]From: cha
2001-06-21 12:31 pm (UTC)

Re: Well deserved recognition

There's nothing wrong with being proud of something, promoting it and being cut a little slack because of all the work you do :)

I, for once, have been personally touched by Insomnia's enthusiasm and skill.. I DEFINATELY apprecite his efforts. If it weren't for him, in fact, I doubt I would still be at LJ :)
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[User Picture]From: pyran
2001-06-21 09:51 am (UTC)
Can we all maybe relax and cut Insomnia some slack here? Come on -- it's an award, and one that LJ damn well deserves. There's no harm in asking people to help LJ get recognized.

Posting twice to a journal that hasn't been posted to in over a month is hardly spam. And it's only one journal -- one post which, if you don't care to read it, can easily be skipped.

So come on -- relax.
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[User Picture]From: evilbeard
2001-06-21 10:03 am (UTC)
Livejournal is a great resource and I would be very sad (more like psycho withdrawls)if it were suddenly unavailable to me. With that said, if I have to endure a little spam so that LJ gets the recognition it derserves, so be it.
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From: fathermoose
2001-06-21 10:27 am (UTC)

Of Webby and things

There is no greater advocate of LJ than myself. I have gone to great extent to turn people onto this wonderful service and have encouraged others to become paid members.

That being said, I personally think that LJ winning this award will be moderately interesting at best.

The Webby awards are akin to the "People's Choice Awards" on TV. Yawn. Whoever has the greatest network of contacts wins.

Pardon me if I am not too excited.

The ironic twist is that LJ has always tried to distinguish itself from Blogger and yet some advocates of this fine service are encouraging us to take the same steps as Blogger in "stuffing the ballot box" in the name of victory.

Let Blogger have its idiotic Webby award.

Trust me; LJ's reputation for being a better service than Blogger goes much futher than winning a pointless award that will all but be forgotten in two weeks.
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[User Picture]From: pyran
2001-06-21 11:45 am (UTC)

Re: Of Webby and things

I think the importance of the Webby award is less the award itself as much as the press that comes with it. Blogger is always held up as the pristine example of what web journalling is, while LJ is often ignored. Perhaps a Webby will put LJ in the spotlight, where it should be.
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[User Picture]From: ella
2001-06-21 11:21 am (UTC)

I am totally stunned at the effort some of you people have put into slating Mark for the efforts he has put into keeping us updated on LiveJournals position in the Webby Awards.

If you guys think that 2 posts made by him, on the awards, in *shock horror* 12 hours is spamming, you have been let off VERY lightly I can tell you. Furthermore, these are 2 posts made in a journal that hasnt seen a single posting in over a month!

Mark is NOT doing this for his own benefit, he is doing this for the benefit of LiveJournal & its users US! Why the hell should people automatically think of Blogger when the topic of weblogs comes up? Getting LiveJournal's name out there & known can only be good for ALL of us more members means more money means better hardware for US to use!

The first line of his post clearly tells you what it's going to be about If you arent interested, use your ability to scroll... dont slam a guy who puts hours of effort in, to help provide YOU with a service.

*climbs off soap-box*
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[User Picture]From: five0xpres
2001-06-21 12:07 pm (UTC)
I personally don't want LiveJournal to get too well known.

I like that fact that it's a fast, reliable and fun service.

More users too fast and it will turn very quickly into something to loathe and dispise.

According to the latest stats: http://www.livejournal.com/stats.bml Out of almost 200,000 users, only 3058 of them are paid ones (1.6%) and 317 are Permanent ones (0.2%)...177,000 (90.9%) are free ones.

I'm all for free accounts, I used my free one for several months before paying for a 6 month paid account. I liked the poll feature and the ability to create my own style for my journal. With the introduction of 'S2' in the near future that will allow even the free accounts to customize their journal interface, what will be the incentive to purchase an account and help foot the bill for all the free ones? As it is right now, you can use style overrides for free accounts and basically create an individual style without paying for the ability to create it with the editor.

Another benefit of having a paid account is that we have our own server, seperate from the free accounts. YIPPEE! So polls and our own server, wow...that's alot of incentive to buy an account. But the LJ crew has to spend the money they take in for paid accounts and use it to buy hardware and software to maintain the whole site, no matter how big it gets...even if 50,000 more free accounts show up because of the Webby award. But without more of those users switching to paid accounts, LJ will not be able to withstand it's growth. Service will begin to suffer, users will become agitated and those with paid accounts might not renew them at the end of their term because LJ has become, in essence: Blogger. Everything that kept LJ unique will be gone.

Now, I don't mean to knock anyone who is helping LiveJournal, either by donating their time and effort or those who actually maintain the site. Running this service takes alot of time, patience, effort and sweat. It also takes money to pay all the bills. Something has to be done to encourage those who currently have a free account and the means to pay for one, to do so. Add the long awaited picture server for paid users. Give us some incentive to want to keep paying for the service we love.

Because, if LJ is unable to continue to provide some exclusive, paid members only extras and maintain a reliable service....those paid members won't be renewing their accounts and then where does the income come from? There has to be a balance and I hope that the folks at LiveJournal can find it before service begins to suffer from the onslaught of new, free accounts that winning the Webby award is sure to bring.
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From: ex_sarassmyl549
2001-06-21 12:39 pm (UTC)
Give this a fucking rest. Go vote. Do your good deed for the day. Then get on with your damn life.
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[User Picture]From: 13dreams
2001-06-21 02:38 pm (UTC)


I have to say that posting several times is no problem... main reason is that several people who did not read yesterdays post.. saw todays post and probably voted. Its good to keep in mind that there are people who love and adore live journal and all its done for us. Insomnia is one of them.. as am I. If I wanted to get the word out.. I would be doing the same thing... wait a minute.. I am doing the same thing.. *smirk*

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From: petcupid
2001-06-21 03:12 pm (UTC)
Finally, I did it!
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[User Picture]From: insomnia
2001-06-21 03:59 pm (UTC)


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[User Picture]From: zooey
2001-06-21 04:35 pm (UTC)

And everyone is having a such a spaz about this for no reason. If you don't care about winning this, then don't read the posts about it. If you do care, then join in. Don't fuss about it and get everyone pissed off at each other, ok ?

Have we gone back into kindergarten this fast ? This could be a new record...
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[User Picture]From: terytaya
2001-06-22 03:30 am (UTC)
well...i missed this whole damned thing...so a nice "buh" to it all...but my vote's in...so that's all that counts i suppose...
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[User Picture]From: macropixi
2001-06-22 05:36 am (UTC)

thank you for your reminder, I've done my part on all three catagories. I love what you guys do. Does anyone know how we're doing?
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[User Picture]From: insomnia
2001-06-22 05:42 am (UTC)


We seem to be up by 4%, but I suspect that Blogger is still closing the gap slowly. We need more votes still, so if there is anything you can do to let people know or get your friends to vote, it would be very much appreciated!

Thanks for voting, btw!
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[User Picture]From: five0xpres
2001-06-22 10:51 am (UTC)
Since this is the paidmembers journal and it's stated purpose is to "This is a community to address paid members of LiveJournal" and since only 3 people are capable of posting a new topic here, I guess I'll post my question here in hopes of getting a straight answer.

When are the paid members going to be getting some more exclusive features that will keep them being paid members at the end of their account term? I keep hearing about this suppposed super secret project, which was thought to have been the portal page. That was "released" a few weeks ago and seems to have fallen flat since I haven't heard anything more about it. The directory still isn't working properly. Which according to a post that brad made somewhere, won't be back up until it can be put on it's own, super fast server to prevent it from slowing the whole site down. "S2" is 'coming' that will allow free accounts to custom design their layouts without having to pay for them. The image server has been pushed back to who know's when.

I'm not seeing anything in the pipeline that will encourage me to renew my paid account when it runs out. Just cryptic messages here and there about the 'extra features coming up for paid members'. I would like to know how LJ intends to continue to provide a fast, fun, reliable service with less that 2% (1.6% paid, .2% perm) of the user base is contributing any money to help foot the expenses of the site. Instead of pushing to win some meaningless award, I'd rather see more time, effort and resources focused on improving what we already have.

If LJ is unable to offer exclusive and useful paid account features (the text messaging is a cool idea, too bad my provider isn't listed) then I will not renew my account when the time comes. I will sit back and get most of the features for free, like over 90% of the other users.

I think this is a great site and love my LiveJournal. I am truly in awe at how well everything works and appreiate the hard work that everyone connected with it puts in day in/day out. I'm just wondering if looking for this award is the proper thing to do, when so much more could be done to improve what we already have. I'm not knocking anyone at LJ. I'm just a paid member that's feeling 'out of the loop' on what exactly are we going to be paying for.
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[User Picture]From: insomnia
2001-06-22 01:05 pm (UTC)


We are adding several additional new features for members over the course of the summer, but you have to keep in mind that our goal is also to provide the most functionality to the most users.

Probably the biggest perk coming up is the image server, which will be a great perk for paid members. There are several other features that we have discussed for members that are nearly as good.

Open sourcing our software was a difficult thing to do... much of what we have had to do up to this point is take care of all the little things that are necessary for making the software usable and developable by other programmers. We're basically making it possible for people to help us create new software, and that is a very important step towards getting the new features you want. Once we have laid the groundwork, changes will happen of their own accord.

With any luck, we'll win the Webbies, Brad and I will meet for once, and we'll all have some time to talk about what we can do to make it worthwhile for users to become members. I will make a priority of it, infact.

Still, I would hope that the best reason for becoming a member is because we bring you a service that is worth the minimal cost and that you believe in what we are doing enough that you will support it.

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[User Picture]From: roswelll
2001-06-22 12:10 pm (UTC)


i went to the site and registered, but livejournal wasnt on there??
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[User Picture]From: insomnia
2001-06-22 12:13 pm (UTC)

Re: laaa

you have to write in LiveJournal where it says add a nominee, under all the other candidates.
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