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This Time It's Permanent [Jun. 19th, 2007|03:30 pm]
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[ljkrissy]
Hey everyone. I wanted to give you a quick heads up that we just announced details of the Permanent Account sale in news. Click over to read all the details! There's also a related post in lj_biz.
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[User Picture]From: ter369
2007-06-19 10:34 pm (UTC)
Sorry, but y'all lost my $150, or renewing my paid account, due to Strikethrough '07. I can type and read blogs lots o' places on the net, y'know.
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[User Picture]From: usekh
2007-06-19 10:36 pm (UTC)
I am pretty sure you won't be all that missed.

Strikethough '07..do you realise how wanktastic that sounds?
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[User Picture]From: ljkrissy
2007-06-19 10:40 pm (UTC)

Re: What? no link to LJ Biz too?

We linked to it in the news post and thought that was enough, but I'll add it to this post too.
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From: alicemarkovski
2007-06-19 10:47 pm (UTC)
Good to know :)
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[User Picture]From: mizcrank
2007-06-19 10:47 pm (UTC)

Idea

With all the unfortunate errors in LJ Land as of late, I think the powers-that-be should raffle off a few permanent accounts to paid members.



Just a thought.
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[User Picture]From: randomposting
2007-06-20 04:17 am (UTC)

Re: Idea

hehe, I support this idea. ;)
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[User Picture]From: harryroberts
2007-06-19 10:50 pm (UTC)
NO.

Shit i wish i had a "DO NOT WANT" macro handy.
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[User Picture]From: reddragdiva
2007-06-19 10:55 pm (UTC)

How's this?

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[User Picture]From: gillo
2007-06-19 10:51 pm (UTC)
Sorry. After last month's fuss and mess Im not sure LJ is still going to be a place I'm going to want to be around in five years time, or that I really want that muc of my money to go in that direction. Fusses die down, but there are always consequences.
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[User Picture]From: missmurchison
2007-06-20 04:25 pm (UTC)
Yep. I wonder how many of us turned off automatic repay as a result and if 6A is bothering to analyze that and changes in renewals?

I want to stay here because I like my FL, but I'd like to see the new TOS and get some other assurances before I even bother renewing as a paid account. There's no way I'm going to shell out for a perm at this point.
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[User Picture]From: reddragdiva
2007-06-19 10:51 pm (UTC)
I'm afraid SixApart are proving too stupid (suspending accounts on the say-so of neo-Nazis, the breastfeeding icon thing before that) to give any of my money to after January. Nor am I sure what would remedy this. Oh well. I'm sure you'll think of something.
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[User Picture]From: harmonatrix
2007-06-20 04:06 am (UTC)
breastfeeding icon thing

Please explain..I know about the suspended journals, but I have no idea what the breastfeeding thing is about.
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[User Picture]From: khriskin
2007-06-19 10:55 pm (UTC)
I'd rather pay yearly and have the option of walking out if things get out of hand. *shrugs* To each their own though.
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[User Picture]From: wickedchild_md
2007-06-20 12:11 am (UTC)
Technically speaking, even if you did have a perm account you could still walk out. You'll be out of some money yes, but you would be too if you paid yearly and decided to walk during that time. Maybe less money that way but still out of money regardless.
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[User Picture]From: stina_bo_bina
2007-06-19 10:58 pm (UTC)
YESSSSSSSSSSSS finally! I've been waiting all month!
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[User Picture]From: wondrous2
2007-06-23 06:40 pm (UTC)
Me, too! ^_^
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[User Picture]From: evilmaniclaugh
2007-06-19 11:00 pm (UTC)
BWAH!

Yeah right, we'll all hand over our hard earned dosh just to be 'suspended' because we said the word 'pedo' or waved pics of boobies and babies at unsuspecting folks.

Oh and the no mailing comments is a drag.
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[User Picture]From: shishmish
2007-06-19 11:07 pm (UTC)
So I'm not the only one without email notifications? Geez, not again.
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[User Picture]From: reddragdiva
2007-06-19 11:11 pm (UTC)
Chargeback?
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[User Picture]From: lizzie
2007-06-19 11:01 pm (UTC)
eh
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[User Picture]From: froganon
2007-06-19 11:05 pm (UTC)

dealing with the issues


The E.F.F. certainly deserves money.
That is all well and good.

Everytime Barak sits down at the computer, he botches things terribly.

So now we have "protect the children" [interesting fundie phrase], "objectionable" vs. "acceptable," "voting," "standards," ..........to the point of throw-up

and yous want me to cough up my hard-earned bisexual bucks for a permaccount.
Clue One: Only if it is a present or a gift.

In Barak's last post over at lj_news, he appealed for folks to join the abuse team cuz they need help.

I'm tempted.
Anyone else up for it.

Oh I forgot. There is that little matter in their profile description of how we conduct ourselves in live journal public.

B.T.W., yes that is quite right, LJ/6A does not have to give us an electronic vehicle for freedom of electronic expression.

However, when that has been a company platform for advertising services to bloggers-- well, this whole thing has been piss-poor performance.

Forget it L.J.
For 30 bucks, I got me a permaccount over at Insane Journal, and 300 icons forever for 10 bucks more, and an assurance that the only way anything will be removed is if Insane Journal receives a takedown order.

I'll be here until I am kicked and will be reverting back to non-paid once my year of paid is over with if I last that long.

If I do get banned, I will make myself a snazzy icon and display it on all of my other blogs in other places, including two domains that I own.

spike

P.S. Interests...?
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[User Picture]From: kjpepper
2007-06-19 11:08 pm (UTC)
Owch... y'all should have waited a couple of months on this one.
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[User Picture]From: hybrid_xisha
2007-06-19 11:15 pm (UTC)
Agreed. XD I still adore my Permanent Account, but LJ shoulda done something to win back the confidence of its users before asking them for large sums of money.
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From: ex_takenbut
2007-06-19 11:08 pm (UTC)
After that whole delete debacle, I would not get a perm. LJ. Besides, weren't they 100.00 at one time?

Why should I give anything to a company that hasn't made up for their mistakes?

Not to mention the fact that pedo journals were reinstated anyway, LJ has no back bone in any direction.
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[User Picture]From: wickedchild_md
2007-06-20 12:15 am (UTC)
In reference to cost, back in 2005 they were $150. If they were sold prior to that at a lower price I do not know.
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[User Picture]From: hybrid_xisha
2007-06-19 11:10 pm (UTC)
Well, I'd buy a Permanent Account, but I bought one two years ago! :D No regrets here! (And since everyone else is commenting on the "big issue": Yes, I roll my eyes at the Strikethrough '07 wank--on both sides of the argument, because the issue itself was just so poorly-handled all around...by LJ users as well as LJ staff and fake "preserving-innocence" groups. Heads-up: WANK IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO LJ. This is the Intarwebz, people. If some glassbiter or other isn't stirring up trouble on LiveJournal, they're doing it on other blogging sites.)
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[User Picture]From: pete23
2007-06-19 11:14 pm (UTC)
it was better before it was popular.
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[User Picture]From: zenostortoise
2007-06-19 11:27 pm (UTC)
You liked them since their first album?
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[User Picture]From: elfwreck
2007-06-19 11:26 pm (UTC)
Not buying a permanent account this time because 6Apart hasn't said what content they will and won't allow.

No point in paying for a service that won't tell me what its rules are.
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[User Picture]From: scien
2007-06-20 12:21 am (UTC)
Pretty much.

We're still waiting for an explanation of what exactly is permissable in terms of journal content and listed interests.

I suspect there isn't such a list in existence, but various people just do what feels prudent at the time. Unsurprisingly enough, this tactic has backfired, so can someone please come up with an official list, make it public, and then stick to it?
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[User Picture]From: allykat
2007-06-19 11:28 pm (UTC)
Dude, the whole stupid ordeal over the bannings was bad enough (and unnerving enough considering its handling,) but the down time I had AFTER that was more maddening to me.

I like many others experienced a period of downtime unrelated to that whole stupid ordeal. It wasn't just a day or two either. If I wrote anything longer than a paragraph my posts would go through and were lost- over and over again. I wrote the support line about it and pointing out that paying users, like myself, should have SOME kind of reimbursement for the situation. I can understand issues due to an attack, but issues need to be addressed with customers no matter what business you're in. I've had a paid account for years and have never made any waves before this happened. Sorry, but a week of NOTHING but a friends list full of slavering histronics, more of that situation on the home page, and being unable to USE the site I'm PAYING for on top of all of it proved to be too much for my usually nearly endless patience.

But the whole incident was just totally ignored in favor of the hysterics over the banning of accounts and I received a note back telling me not to expect reimbursement. Was it because it only affected some of us and wasn't site wide? I'm still a paying customer and I wish that MY issue was considered as important as the debaucle everyone else seems to be interested in.

There was a time I would have seriously considered this option, and I ALMOST did get a perm account last time they were released. I certainly wouldn't make that decision today. Not with recent events.

Maybe next time, and I agree- you guys should've waited for this to blow over more.
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[User Picture]From: sparkgrrl658
2007-06-20 12:11 am (UTC)
YES THANKYOU.

oh my god. i was really beginning to feel like i was alone on this one. i personally could give a shit about this "strikethrough 07" bullshit. my only issue is, i pay for a service, i would like it to function properly. one error here or there is to be expected sometimes, but that period of time was unacceptable and i do definitely think we should have gotten something in return for putting up with it. instead, on the days i could actually view the homepage properly, it was just another "news item" about harry potter pr0nz.
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[User Picture]From: sunnyskywalker
2007-06-19 11:31 pm (UTC)
I think you'd build user confidence in your company better if you posted your clarified policies before asking users to hand over their money and trust you for life.
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[User Picture]From: froganon
2007-06-20 12:39 am (UTC)

word up


I want to know what I am buying into before buying into it.
Agreed.

spike
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[User Picture]From: peachii
2007-06-20 12:02 am (UTC)
Was going to buy one, but last month shot that down.
Freedom of speech ftw.
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[User Picture]From: resonant
2007-06-20 12:09 am (UTC)

Not until 6A learns to communicate with its customers

Whenever you do something that annoys or startles your customers, COMMUNICATE with them. Communication in advance is best, but communication immediately after the fact is still good. They may not like what you're saying, but they will be far less irritated with you if you tell them SOMETHING instead of ignoring them for days while you give interviews with CNET. Remember, money is good, and happy customers give you money.
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[User Picture]From: blackbird_song
2007-06-20 12:15 am (UTC)
Absent transparent policies and a reliable commitment to follow them and give adequate notice of any changes, there's no way that I'm going to spend any more money on LJ, either for myself or as gifts. I have several paid accounts here, and would have bought a second permanent account, had the deletions not occurred the way that they did. I'm not buying anything from anyone unless I can see an accurate, trustworthy product description and rules, first.

I have to say that the timing on this offering (i.e., before policies are clarified and content that 6A is unwilling to host is revealed) would tend to indicate that significant communication problems between your company and your user base show no signs of abating.
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[User Picture]From: trevorw2005
2007-06-20 12:18 am (UTC)
LOL! That's hilarious.

...Oh, wait...You're serious. You actually expect us to pay $150 for the right to stick around until the next time someone makes a snap judgement on what people should or shouldn't be censored?

Will you be publishing how many lucky members fork over that cash for a psuedo-permanent environment? Just curious as it'd be interesting to see and a good measurement for the current state of LJ.
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